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Shynney- 10-05-2005

Thanks Leela, as soon as I get settled again and have an address I must order the DVD. Would really like to see it on a big screen with good sound! :D

virgomoon- 10-05-2005
Dylan
To me Dylan has always been a strange character. Never quite sure which side of the fence he is on! :? Certainly had talent but there was something else about him. Must see this movie to see if I can unravel the conundrum! :) Sounds like Scorsese worked his usual magic in a LONG story. Hi Shynney! Great to see you back here! I'm glad to see that quite a few people here with "mixed feelings" about Dylan & his music can now appreciate his work after watching No Direction Home. I've been a fan of Dylan's music for years & have most of his music as well as many of Dylan's concert on video. I think even people that aren't fans of Dylan know his classics like Blowin' in the Wind, Rainy Day Woman, Mr. Tambourine Man, Subterranean Homesick Blues... but check out some of his lesser known stuff too... Positively 4th Street, both Dirge & Going Going Gone...well, everything on "Planet Waves", Idiot Wind and Tangled Up in Blue from "Blood on the Tracks"... "Slow Train Coming" is a GREAT CD... I LOVE Man Gave Names to All the Animals & Gotta Serve Somebody from that one. And "Street Legal" is another one of my favorite Dylan CDs. BTW...anyone ever hear Dylan's son Jakob's band The Wallflowers? Their music is AMAZING! My favorite Wallflowers CDs are "Bringing Down the Horse" & "Breach". Jakob's got a GREAT voice too...very much like Dylan's.

Shynney- 10-06-2005

Virgomoon Great to see you back here Thanks Virgomoon but afraid I shall be amongst the 'departed' and 'disappeared' for a few more days from tomorrow when the big move actually happens! :roll: Dylan wrote such amazing songs which were sung by so many committed anti Vietnam war singers of the day but suppose I always doubted Dylan's actual commitment to the cause and think 'No Direction Home' endorsed this opinion for me. He seemed more committed to making a name for himself than making an anti war statement like Pete Seger and other singers of the day. A very interesting and complex character though.

virgomoon- 10-06-2005
Hmmmmmmmm...
He seemed more committed to making a name for himself than making an anti war statement like Pete Seger and other singers of the day. A very interesting and complex character though. Gee...I don't know. I don't see Dylan as an artist just out there to make a name for himself at all. In fact...when watching NDH, I had the feeling Dylan was pretty surprised to be the focus of so much media attention. He's always seemed to me to be the kind of artist/poet/musician who had something different to say (different than everyone else out there at that time) & he just bravely went out there & did it. I don't think Dylan ever expected to be that huge of a force in the music industry. And I don't think he ever really wanted that either. Shynney...Best of Luck with your big move! Take care!

leela- 10-07-2005

I think I understood why people felt let down and disappointed by Dylan during that 1965 tour. They had expectations of him because of the 'message' they felt was in his words and music. But I don't think he had expected or sought that role at all. He seemed more interested in using the music to express how he felt, translating that raw emotion into words. His lyrics seem open to many different interpretations. This made their message more of a universal one that transcends any particular time and place. People listening to them today may imagine they mean something quite different to that 1960's audience. I wasn't aware of Dylan during that period so I hadn't thought of him or his music as political. I don't have that sense of disappointment in him that many in the film felt. By the time I caught up with him in the late 70's he was part of the mainstream and the whole pro-*test*-('") music scene had moved on. Good Luck with the move Shynney and I hope we'll see you back here very soon. :D

skydog- 10-07-2005
Dylan and committment
Shynney, I agree with you.....Dylan is a very “interesting and complex character”. But I think all the great songs Dylan wrote that were adopted by the peace movements were his commitment to the cause. As Scorsese and many others in the docu said..... Dylan put into words what many people were only thinking at the time. If he rallied them in some way, wrote the words that gave them vision, added poetry to their actions, Dylan more than did his part. His commitment was that of the poet, the artist. Best wishes on your move and see you soon. virgo, I agree..... at that early time in his life, making a name for himself was not one of Dylan’s goals..... experimenting and making all kinds of music was. Wallflowers? Dylan’s son Jakob Dylan has an amazing voice. I can hear a lot of Dylan influence in his voice and his music, though I doubt he’d agree. I remember when the Wallflowers got a Best New Artist award, Bruce Springsteen was there for him, not Dylan. From what I know about the father and son, their relationship was more awkward and complex than Dylan and Baez was!

Courtney- 10-10-2005
Dylan
Shynney, I share your comments about Dylan and his commitment/sincerity to the peace movement, powerful though many of his songs were that spoke about social issues, and the things Joan Baez said about him also were quite interesting and revealing - btw, she looks amazing. P.S. I believe Joan Baez never has or never will sell her songs for use in commercials like Dylan has with his songs (I'm assuming he owns the rights to his songs) - it 's always jarring to hear songs like I've heard just today alone The Times They are a Changin' on TV in a Kaiser Permanente commercial, another one for a Volvo ad, and last year another one of his songs used in a Victoria Secret commercial :roll: .

Shynney- 10-14-2005

Agree Courtney. There was something very special and rather sacred about the songs from that era. Dylan had that amazing ability to write songs that were so in tune with what we were feeling at that time. Guess we should not question his motives but only enjoy the fact that he could write songs that said so much. It was such a thrill to hear Joan Baez's amazing voice with that unique clarity in Scorses's film. I am looking forward to getting the DVD soon.

virgomoon- 02-08-2006
Grammy Awards
Okay... I had to bump this one waaaaaaaaay up again. :D No Direction Home WON the Grammy tonight for BEST Long Form Music Video! BIG CONGRATULATIONS to Scorsese & Dylan! 8)

arnzilla- 02-09-2006

Thanks, virgo. I just did a quick search and found out the last time a big name director won a Grammy. Michael Apted (DGA-nominee for Coal Miner's Daughter) won in 1987 for a Sting video, besting competition from Jonathan Demme and Steven Soderbergh. http://us.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Grammy_Awards/1987

will- 02-09-2006

Thank you Virgomoon for the good news! :) Do you know if he went to pick it up? Not all categories are televised, so I don't know whether they would have shown it...

leela- 02-09-2006

Thanks Virgo I woke up to hear this on the radio this morning. What great news, and definitely a step up from a Sting video. :lol:

Shynney- 02-09-2006

Thanks Virgomoon, really great news!:D

virgomoon- 02-09-2006
NDH
Thanks, virgo. I just did a quick search and found out the last time a big name director won a Grammy. Michael Apted (DGA-nominee for Coal Miner's Daughter) won in 1987 for a Sting video, besting competition from Jonathan Demme and Steven Soderbergh. http://us.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Grammy_Awards/1987 Wow. I didn't realize it was such a rare thing! Makes it even more SPECIAL. Thanks, Zill for the trivia. COOL to know. will wrote: Do you know if he went to pick it up? Not all categories are televised, so I don't know whether they would have shown it... No, will. Sadly it was one of the non televised awards. :( I would've LOVED to see Scorsese accepting last night. BTW...a really good Grammy show this year imo. Coldplay ROCKED! U2 were so COOL! They did One with Mary J. Blige. It's one of my favorite U2 songs & Bono & Blige sounded great together. And...Bruce performed Devils and Dust just GORGEOUSLY! (I HOPE Scorsese was watchin' AND listening! I still think this song would be PERFECT for The Departed.) :lol:

skydog- 02-14-2006
Scorsese Wins!
Thanks for the good news, virgo. Congrats to Scorsese and Dylan! Scorsese certainly deserved to be recognized by the Grammys for his amazing Dylan docu. Hope both he and Bob were very proud and happy. It would have been great to see them both them to accept the Grammy, but the show ran over 3 hours as it was. They might have had to cut one of the performances to do it. I could suggest the one I would have definitely cut, but I won’t! Arnz, thanks for your extra research. Come to think of it I never saw anything like Scorsese’s docu win at the Grammys. That’s great to know! .

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