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yapi- 10-03-2006

Aviator had 94 in the bfca rating and GONY had 86 ;)

Abstract- 10-03-2006

Another mildly ignorant question: so who makes up the BFCA - I know Broadcast Film critics, but who exactly are they? An Association of critics, media, in the U.S.?

skydog- 10-03-2006
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Thanks for all the reviews. Enjoying them all tonight....with 2 days to go!

Peanut80- 10-03-2006

Review from New City Chicago http://www.newcitychicago.com/chicago/5788.html Can't wait to see all the 'eyes' in the Chinatown scenes...remember we discussed we thought we saw 'eyes' in that scene .... Gimme Welter Scorsese's furious return to form Ray Pride Finally and at last Marty Scorsese gives a shit about moviemaking rather than the Oscars. "The Departed" is a departure from the muck of "Gangs of New York" and the moroseness of "The Aviator," a welcome return to vulgar, vivid, visceral elegance for the 63-year-old director, and his serene, bloody confidence on the contemporary mean streets of Boston matches his exuberance in contemporary Manhattan settings. It's the first picture of his I've fully admired since "Goodfellas," a while back in the last century. Several of the major surprises in "The Departed" draw on a trilogy of Hong Kong pictures called "Infernal Affairs" (2002-2003), and it's best to know as little as possible about the story for full enjoyment. But simply sketched, Scorsese takes on both cops and hoods in the duplicity-ridden plot. Irish Frank Costello (Jack Nicholson) runs Boston's largest organized-crime ring, and the Massachusetts State Police are determined to take him down from the inside. Southie rookie Billy Costigan (Leonardo DiCaprio) has to prove his bona fides to get into Costello's crew while his double, Colin Sullivan (Matt Damon), is on the "right" side of the law, finding a spot in the state police's Special Investigations Unit, and in charge of one of the sections assigned to topple Costello. But as we know from the first scenes, with Scorsese glorying in criminal bestiality from the get-go, the malefic Costello has groomed Colin since childhood. Scorsese understands beautifully, both in casting and performance, what each of his actors can do. Among the tremendous performances are, of course, Nicholson, who ranges from the most deliciously precise of line readings to the most manic of threats; Damon, charming and plausible in his darkest behavior; DiCaprio, capturing unexpected facets of his deep-cover character; Alec Baldwin, hilarious as Colin's deadpan boss; Ray Winstone as Costello's enforcer; Mark Wahlberg, note-perfect, as a commanding, fearlessly witty leader of another investigative team ("If you had an idea what we do, we would not be good at what we do. We would be cunts. Are you calling us cunts?"); and Vera Farmiga, of the extra-large, blue, blue windows to the soul, as a therapist who winds up treating both Colin and Billy, unbeknownst to any of the trio. Scorsese boldly holds on her large sparking eyes of endless quickness and keenness in a way other directors might fear. Opening to the strains of the Stones' "Gimme Shelter," "The Departed"'s alternation of portent and release, of rock and opera, of acting precision and performance arias, seems suited to the schizophrenic patterning of the two cops with a father figure and a fuck in common. In a few conversations with colleagues in other cities who saw the picture sooner, the question of whether the movie has deeper resonance than its rambunctiously entertaining twist-filled plot came up more than once, yet a single viewing suggests that the transposed elements from the Hong Kong movies dovetail sweetly with Scorsese's own great theme, the lacerating, internalized self-hatred and ultimate misanthropy at the heart of machismo. Scorsese's gleaming craft is displayed in Michael Ballhaus' gorgeous light and elegant, refined widescreen framings. Scorsese and longtime editor Thelma Schoonmaker work with a nervous, accelerated cutting style that's cut to the quick, which I can only compare to the restlessness of Olivier Assayas' "Demonlover" and "Clean." His movie races along to several pulses, including intriguing sound editing that uses sudden silence and sudden music in equally jarring but similarly satisfying manner. (There are also the non-joke jokes, such as an impotence reference followed immediately by a Molotov'd vehicle rising skyward.) Screenwriter William Monahan's taut, terse script minimizes explanations of the many characters' backstory and conflicts, yet his brilliant dialogue crackles with savvy, as attuned to gangland lingo and cop terms of art as David Mamet, but in speakable, naturalistic cadence, for the earnest and the venal and corrupt as well. The words sing with lusty gusto: "You're bad, you're corrupt, you must be my cousin." Of the Irish? "Freud says we're the only people impervious to psychoanalysis." An Indian shopkeeper: "What is wrong with this country, everybody hurts everybody?" Baldwin's gleeful "Patriot Act, Patriot Act, Patriot Act, I love it, I love it, I love it!" And Farmiga: "I have to say your vulnerability is really freaking me out right now. Is it real?" Nicholson's impersonation of a rat is a certain classic, and who else could do what he does with a line like, "`Heavy lies the crown' sort of thing?" And asking after someone's mother and hearing, "She's on the way out," Nicholson's genius is refined in his delivery of the tart, simple "We all are, act accordingly." But he's also riotous in abuse like Costello telling a table of priests, "Enjoy your clams, cocksuckers." Watch for a shot on a Chinatown side street of a lamp made of vertical strips of mirror, which in a foot-chase scene, captures multiples of DiCaprio's eyes in foreground while the figure of Damon runs into the background, in perspective, the same size as the mirrors. Dazzling. Just dazzling. "The Departed" opens Friday. (2006-10-03)

josephc- 10-03-2006

The Departed, the departed, the departed ---- I heart it, I heart it, I heart it!!!!

Mantas- 10-03-2006

I cant wait im seeing it on Saturday, I would on friday but my bands playing on friday. :( The BFCA thing is a great score for this type of a movie and the critical reception is really amazing i still think its a shoe in for the main categories. Maybe a SAG ensamble win :D .

Mantas- 10-03-2006

Its back up to 89 on Metacritic with 5 100's out of 9 reviews! :shock:

Abstract- 10-03-2006

Another review by one of the readers at Rotten Tomatoes (so an "amateur" review as opposed to a pro review but sometimes these are better indicators of how a film will be received by the public): http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=511014

Abstract- 10-04-2006

Review from a Korean-English paper: http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=364362

Mantas- 10-04-2006

So far the only negative review talked way too much about the original. Most other reviews said that Marty makes The Departed his own movie.

arnzilla- 10-04-2006

New review: http://www.moviepulse.net/Pages/Theatrical/page_departed.htm About the BFCA and More BFCA ratings Arnzilla, what is it with that film! honestly... Is there some political element that I'm not aware of? Should we expect a review from you for the Departed?I saw a bit of the basic cable film called "Flight 93" and it wasn't all that different. I guess I'll review The Departed when I eventually get around to seeing it. I hear it's pretty good. :P When his character’s face is finally revealed to the audience as he steps out of the darkness and into the light, it is chillingly cool. In fact I can’t remember such a fun reveal since Orson Welles popped out of the darkness in ‘The Third Man’. Hmmm... actually, I can probably review it without seeing it. :wink:

Kartoffel- 10-04-2006

Reviews from Asia will be interesting to read. Many reviewers so far are not familiar enough with the original as well as the traditions of Asian film-making to make a good comparison. While IA pays homage to John Woo, IA is actually known to be the first significant diversion from Woo's style of crime / thriller films. What I have noticed is how many of the TD reviews so far have pointed out the uber-violence and irreverance of TD and claiming that that is the key to its diversion from the original - and that is true, since IA was known for its minimalist approach in gunplay and action, as well as the suppression of colorful language and non-essential dialogues in general (it is remarkbly "quiet" for a HK gangster film). Whether this stylistic difference between TD and IA will fare well to Asian viewers will be interesting to find out, because, and of course I am completely speculating at this point, that the strengths of TD is closely related to the tradition that IA had moved away from. Action elements from HK and other Asian movie industries have made it in Hollywood exactly because of its fiery choreography/visuals and sometimes over the top but aethestically stunning presentations (those who are familiar with John Woo's work in HK would understand what I mean) - and as they assimilate into Hollywood movies the film watching crowd on the other side of the planet have gotten a little tired of it. IA was popular at least partly the movie is more brainy and less physical, thus maybe they would not accept TD as something refreshing but rather re-treading some old grounds. Either way, I think one can see this movie as a cycle complete. HK and Hollywood movies have long borrowed filmaking techniques from one another - as many here may know, Scorsese's "Mean Street" was the draft for Wong Kar Wai's "As Tears Go By" and Wong's novel stylistic touches made him a rising and later prominent director in Asia; the cinematographer for that movie was Andrew Lau, who worked closely with and learned from Wong and later became a director himself, and made IA a decade later; Scorsese then adapted IA and created something that was more than just a remake....I don't think TD can ever dissociate with IA - I know some here would argue on this point - but I think no matter how TD is stylistically different it gets a head start by having a solid foundation from IA to build on... and yet IA was built on the skills of someone who had gotten his start by working on, some may say, a Scorsese remake.... there's really little point to separate the two, other than for Oscar consideration. (TD's promotion has, in my opinion, been trying very hard to dissociate the movie from IA, and while Monohan and Scorsese have in the US denied watching the original or mention the word "remake", DiCaprio used that word freely in the first sentence in his HK interview). Some will like TD better, some will like the original better, and I am glad it is that way - because it means TD has evolved and that is what remakes / adaptions should do - they are supposed to appeal to different crowds, distinct in taste, culture, and/or religion. Thus, I hope there will be no animosity among our friends here when reviewers prefer IA over TD....:)

Peanut80- 10-04-2006

Mantas Welcome to the board :) And if you have read any of my previous posts , you'll see that I have mentioned that I would love to see "TD" win SAG Ensemble Award ! Abstract Thanks for RT post :) Arnz Thanks for moviepulse review and BFCA info :)

Peanut80- 10-04-2006

Comments from Slash Film site....states he will post full review on Friday http://www.slashfilm.com/article.php/20061004012143109 I just got home from the press screening of Martin Scorsese's The Departed, and let me just say this - Best Movie of the Year. Legally, I can't say much more, but expect my full review on Friday morning.

Peanut80- 10-04-2006

A review from a OW poster (Shooter Macgvin ) who just saw the film I just saw the film, I would post a new thread but I'd figure someone's would overlap theirs even I made mine first so why bother. Im not going to critique on the film, but I thought the movie was very good, a tad short from greatness but, once again, a -*test*-('")ament on the talent of Martin Scorsese. Im not going to dribble too much on the main plot as many of you know it already. But, while I agree, Scorsese has returned to his roots in making a gritty and more urban film, it isnt neccessarly a homage to Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, and such. I guess Martin Scorsese just didnt want to take that route either, as The Departed is a very diffrent beast altogether. Its more of a plot drivern crime drama with a very interesting interplay of two characters (damon and dicaprio) who follow separate paths but find moments of intresection, than a morality play of sorts. The movie builds more in the suspense, vivid thrills, energy, and developing plot than his usual works, though there are remrants of internality in the movie. Does this make it a better movie than his previous works? it depends on you. I would proabably rank this up above The Aviator, and around the level of Raging Bull and GONY. But the movie never facinates me enough to the extent to make it a masterpiece. Scorsese was a little laxed on the characters a little more than usual, but that's not to say he meerley made the movie a entertaining thrill ride. The Departed speaks about the duality of two people (DiCaprio and Damon), but even more as a film that questions the true nature of each person, as their identity is never really revleaded as most people would hide the truth to set their needs and how the truth is finally caught up to the person. As for Oscar contention. If this movie was directed by someone other than Scorsese, than I would say this movie has real shot at any serious contention. But this is Scorsese and this is a very good movie that can be quite popular by the public, so I can say that it has a shot. As for Nicholson, I dont know why Warner Bros. would cast him as a lead. His character is clearly supporting, and isnt neccessarly the focus of the film in any serious perspective. He plays the character well, but the over the top nature of the performance is more suited in a Supporting Role. 8/10 Well that's it im tired.

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